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but at the same time, we do have still divided government. and the composition of the house didn't change that much. and the composition of the senate, you know, democrats picked up a couple seats, but the basic, you know, political matrix has not fundamentally shifted. and for a lot of those republicans who were against -- who played their version of hardball in the summer of 2011, their internal politics haven't changed that much. so those tea party freshmen who are now not freshmen anymore, but they ran the same way in '12 as they ran in '10, their attitude is i don't have a mandate to raise taxes. the president can claim that mandate, fine. in my district, i don't have that mandate, and i've still ran on principle, and i'm going to stick to my guns. >> michael, off of that, when does the clock tick in john boehner's head and he says okay, look it, i've had it with this. i've got 75, 80 votes, whatever number of votes he has in his caucus that will go with him, and he says to the tea party republicans, fine. do what you want to do. i'm tak
but at the same time, we do have still divided government. and the composition of the house didn't change that much. and the composition of the senate, you know, democrats picked up a couple seats, but the basic, you know, political matrix has not fundamentally shifted. and for a lot of those republicans who were against -- who played their version of hardball in the summer of 2011, their internal politics haven't changed that much. so those tea party freshmen who are now not freshmen anymore,...
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when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for them. >> and you know, mika -- >> that's exactly it. >> you see the missed opportunities. it's not just the stupid things that are said on talk radio or that are written in being books written in the blogosphere that hurts the conservative cause, it's what is not said. like, for instance, yesterday nick christoph wrote an extraordinary op-ed talking about how conservatives have a point. that the liberal welfare state actually discourages, in many cases, hard work and discourages people -- enslaves people to a life of misery. and he gave a great example of how ssi benefits actually cause parents in the appalachians to discourage their children from taking classes to actually get good grades because that means if their children get good grades and do well in school, then they won't get their $500 or $600 a month for having a disabled child. if you have a movement that has been
when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for them. >> and you know, mika -- >> that's exactly it. >> you see the missed opportunities. it's not just the stupid things that are said on talk radio or that are written in being books written in the blogosphere that hurts the conservative cause, it's what is not said. like, for instance, yesterday nick christoph wrote...
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there is a sense of a balance between government and the govern, and that's the good news. the not-so-good news or the big question mark is whether they can take that general attitude and translate into a political arrangement that has some stability and legitimacy. and what we've seen is that hasn't happened yet, and that's the thing that's playing out. and we don't have a lot of influence over it. we can basically say -- we can incentivize them to do some of the right things, conditioning economic aid from the imf or the united states on pluralism and something that looks like a democratic process. but at the end of the day, egyptians are going to have to work it out, and it's going to be awfully important because people should never forget, this is a quarter to a third of the arab world, and cairo is one of the great centers of the arab and islamic world. what happened here is repercussions that go far beyond the borders of egypt. >> no doubt about it, they are the leader of the arab world. mika, also fascinating just to look at what's going on to see that the army, whic
there is a sense of a balance between government and the govern, and that's the good news. the not-so-good news or the big question mark is whether they can take that general attitude and translate into a political arrangement that has some stability and legitimacy. and what we've seen is that hasn't happened yet, and that's the thing that's playing out. and we don't have a lot of influence over it. we can basically say -- we can incentivize them to do some of the right things, conditioning...
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these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean st
these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you....
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place would be the best thing we can do for our economy, which would also bring revenue to the federal government. >> there's that word certainty, which we would fully understand. congresswoman, if there is not a deal reached, would you characterize that as a massive failure on the part of congress? in fact, both sides? >> yeah, i believe we either are going to succeed together or fail together. and i go back to the model from president reagan and tip o'neill in the early '80s. as they look at tax reform as well as these entitlement programs, that's the approach we need today. proven that it can be done. and we need president obama to come to the table, provide that leadership, the republicans are willing. speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so,
place would be the best thing we can do for our economy, which would also bring revenue to the federal government. >> there's that word certainty, which we would fully understand. congresswoman, if there is not a deal reached, would you characterize that as a massive failure on the part of congress? in fact, both sides? >> yeah, i believe we either are going to succeed together or fail together. and i go back to the model from president reagan and tip o'neill in the early '80s. as...